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### Viewing cable 09CAIRO746, ADMIRAL MULLEN'S MEETING WITH EGIS CHIEF SOLIMAN

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09CAIRO746 | 2009-04-30 15:03 | SECRET//NOFORN | Embassy Cairo

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    S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 CAIRO 000746

    NOFORN
    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/26/2019
    TAGS: PREL MASS MOPS PARM KPAL IS IR SO EG SU
    SUBJECT: ADMIRAL MULLEN'S MEETING WITH EGIS CHIEF SOLIMAN

    Classified By: Ambassador Margaret Scobey per 1.4 (b) and (d).

    ¶1.  Key Points:

    - (S/NF) During an April 21 meeting with Chairman of the
    Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen, Egyptian
    General Intelligence Service Chief Omar Soliman explained
    that his overarching regional goal was combating radicalism,
    especially in Gaza, Iran, and Sudan.

    - (S/NF) On Gaza, Soliman said Egypt must "confront" Iranian
    attempts to smuggle arms to Gaza and "stop" arms smuggling
    through Egyptian territory.

    - (S/NF) Soliman shared his vision on Palestinian
    reconciliation and bringing the Palestinian Authority back to
    Gaza, saying "a Gaza in the hands of radicals will never be
    calm."

    - (S/NF) On Iran, Soliman said Egypt was "succeeding" in
    preventing Iran from funneling financial support to Hamas
    through Egypt.  Soliman hoped that the U.S. could encourage
    Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions and stop interfering in
    regional affairs, but cautioned that Iran "must pay a price"
    for its actions.

    - (S/NF)  Egypt is "very concerned" with stability in Sudan,
    Soliman said, and was focusing efforts on convincing the
    Chadean and Sudanese presidents to stop supporting each
    others' insurgencies, supporting negotiations between
    factions in Darfur, and implementing the Comprehensive Peace
    Agreement (CPA).  "Egypt does not want a divided Sudan,"
    Soliman stressed.

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    Gaza
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    ¶2.  (S/NF)  Soliman said radicalism was the "backbone" of
    regional security threats, adding that radicalism in Gaza
    posed a particularly serious threat to Egyptian national
    security.  Soliman said Egypt must "confront" Iranian
    attempts to smuggle arms to Gaza and stop arms smuggling
    through Egyptian territory.  "Egypt is circled by
    radicalism," he continued, expressing concern over
    instability in Sudan and Somalia as well.  Egypt's own
    successful campaign against radicalism in the 1990s provided
    a useful lesson in how to counteract extremist groups by
    reducing their ability to operate and raise funds, in
    additional to educating people on the dangers of extremism.
    Soliman noted that only the Muslim Brotherhood remained and
    the Egyptian government continued to "make it difficult" for
    them to operate.

    ¶3.  (S/NF) "We do not want incidents like Gaza to inflame
    public anger," Soliman said, adding that the Gaza conflict
    put "moderate (Arab) regimes" in a corner.  To prevent
    another outbreak of violence, Egypt is focusing on
    Palestinian reconciliation and a durable cease-fire between
    Hamas and Israel.  On reconciliation, Soliman explained, the
    ultimate goal was to return the Palestinian Authority to
    Gaza, as "Gaza in the hands of radicals will never be calm."
    The problem, however, is that the PA cannot return to Gaza
    without Hamas' acquiescence.  Soliman said the PA must return
    before the January 2010 Palestinian elections, or else Gazans
    would be afraid to vote for moderates.

    ¶4.  (S/NF) Stability in Gaza also depends on giving people a
    more "normal" life, Soliman continued, saying Israel must be
    convinced to regularly open the border crossings for
    legitimate commercial activity.  The current system - where
    Egypt informs Israel of a humanitarian shipment and Israel
    waits two days before accepting or rejecting the shipment for
    transfer to Gaza - does not adequately meet people's needs.

    ¶5.  (S/NF) On Palestinian reconciliation, Soliman said he
    expected the factions to return to Egypt on April 26 to
    discuss his proposal on establishing a high committee
    comprised of the various factions.  The committee would be
    responsible for preparing for the January 2010 elections,
    monitoring reconstruction, and reforming the security
    services in Gaza.  On reconstruction, the committee would
    issue licenses for companies eligible to participate on
    projects, but the PA would decide who receives the money for
    private and government contracts.  Arab governments would
    assist with reforming the security services and could base
    security assistance out of Egypt.  Soliman doubted that Hamas
    would agree to the high committee, but said it was important

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    to keep Hamas and Fatah talking, so they would not resort to
    violence.

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    Iran, Counter Smuggling
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    ¶6. (S/NF) Iran is "very active in Egypt," Soliman said.
    Iranian financial support to Hamas amounted to $25 million a
    month, but he said Egypt was "succeeding" in preventing
    financial support from entering Gaza through Egypt.  Iran has
    tried several times to pay the salaries for the al-Qassam
    Battalions, but Egypt had succeeded in preventing the money
    from reaching Gaza.  Soliman said the Egyptian government had
    arrested a "big Hezbollah cell," which was Hezbollah's first
    attempt to stand up a cell within Egypt.  Iran was also
    trying to recruit support from the Sinai Bedouins, he
    claimed, in order to facilitate arms smuggling to Gaza.  So
    far, he continued, Egypt had successfully stopped Hamas from
    rearming.  Soliman noted that in six months, MOD will have
    completed the construction of a subterranean steel wall along
    the Egypt-Gaza border to prevent smuggling.  He warned,
    however, that people will find an alternative to the tunnels
    to smuggle arms, goods, people, and money.  Admiral Mullen
    expressed appreciation for Egypt's efforts to combat
    smuggling, adding that he hoped Egypt felt comfortable enough
    to ask for additional border security assistance at any time.

    ¶7.  (S/NF) Egypt has "started a confrontation with Hezbollah
    and Iran," Soliman stressed, and "we will not allow Iran to
    operate in Egypt."  Soliman said Egypt had sent a clear
    message to Iran that if they interfere in Egypt, Egypt will
    interfere in Iran, adding that EGIS had already begun
    recruiting agents in Iraq and Syria.  Soliman hoped the U.S.
    would "not walk the same track as the Europeans" in regards
    to negotiating with Iran and warned against only focusing on
    one issue at time, like Iran's nuclear weapons program.  Iran
    must "pay the price" for its actions and not be allowed to
    interfere in regional affairs.  "If you want Egypt to
    cooperate with you on Iran, we will," Soliman added, "it
    would take a big burden off our shoulders."

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    Sudan
    -----

    ¶8.  (S/NF) Egypt is very concerned with stability in Sudan,
    Soliman said, but asked for the U.S. to be "patient" with the
    Sudanese government and give Egypt time to help the Sudanese
    government deal with its problems.  He applauded the
    appointment of Special Envoy Gration and recent U.S.
    statements on Sudan.  Soliman said Egypt was focused on three
    areas for promoting stability in Sudan: 1) repairing the
    relationship between Chadean President Deby and Sudanese
    President Bashir and stopping their support for each others'
    insurgencies 2) supporting negotiations between the various
    factions in Darfur, and 3) implementing the CPA.  Soliman
    encouraged a larger role for French President Sarkozy in
    mediating between Chad and Sudan.  He said that Southern
    Sudan "feels no benefits from unity," and Egypt is trying to
    bridge the "physiological gap" between north and south itself
    by providing humanitarian assistance.  "Egypt does not want a
    divided Sudan," he stressed.  Admiral Mullen replied that
    Egypt's leadership on Sudan was critical and looked forward
    to increased cooperation between Egypt and Special Envoy
    Gration.

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    Piracy and Somalia
    ------------------

    ¶9.  (S/NF) Admiral Mullen stressed that piracy was an
    international crime that needed an international solution,
    especially on support for trying captured pirates.  The U.S.
    did not want Somalia to become the next safe haven for
    al-Qaeda after Pakistan, he stressed.  Soliman replied that
    there were not enough ships in the region to provide adequate
    security against pirate attacks and recommended that the
    international community, through the UN Security Council,
    focus counter piracy efforts on the Somali shore.

    ¶10.  (U) Admiral Mullen did not have the opportunity to clear
    before his departure.
    SCOBEY

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